Manifesting connections and personal growth

If your happiness depends on the actions of others, you know, you're at mercy of things that you can't control.

yeah i'm not even just saying this i literally think i manifested this like it's the after i saw you at simeon hayes's house so that was a couple months ago and then a few weeks ago my i was talking to my social media girl randomly we were just talking about a bunch of stuff um and just kind of what i would love to represent just talking about a new chapter for me and whatever and i was she was like

who would you really want to like talk to or whatever and i was like it'd be so cool to talk to jay and she was like that would be really cool and then we kind of just that was kind of the thought and whatever and then you hit me and i was like no freaking way he's hitting me right now so i was like absolutely this is like perfect it's the universe just putting it in perfect timing but

that makes me so happy because it was exactly the opposite way so i've for a long time had people that i'd love to sit down with and every time i saw you do something with mental health and vogue or any of the segments that you ever did i was just like she's amazing like you know it's incredible to the way you were talking about it when you post about it

i've been like oh this is incredible like to see see you speaking so openly about it vulnerably about it and so i've always wanted to do this yeah and then but we've never really crossed paths so i'm always just a bit like and i don't like asking friends of friends when i haven't met someone and right so i i was like that day i had to like pluck up the card i'm just gonna ask myself

no because it's easier when i start and i know christy so yeah yeah yeah but i was like i it's nicer when there's i told my team too i was like it's so much nicer when there's like a personal connection for sure and someone really feels comfortable rather than it's like a pr no it was it was so perfect like when i think back to it i'm like that was me just trusting the universe and not pushing for anything and i knew it was going to kind of happen when it was supposed to and it literally did yeah you

You felt it too. Yeah, I did. That means a lot to me. Yeah. And I hope that is the start of spending more time together. Me too. Me too. Off camera too. I would love that. Because like, I think also, I don't know, like I admire people like you. I admire like, you know, the Michael Pollans and Michael Singers and Wim Hofs of the world. And I feel like you fit in that category for me of just people that are, because, you know, I know a little bit about your story. I'd like to actually know more, which would be really cool to actually, I know we're obviously not here today.

for that. Exactly. But for me, just personally, I'd love to know more of your story. I know that you've had quite the experiences and I think that's so cool. I'm so intrigued by people with just that amount of curiosity and determination and patience. That takes so much patience to be like you or like any of those people that I just listed. It's so cool to me and I just...

I wish for myself, but I'm working on it. No, you're that curious too. I am. It's just, you know, that level of, like I said, patience and determination is like...

it's a gift like that is like a really really amazing gift and like i said like i'm just working on it all the time and i that's my goal in life i guess well i i think i feel the same way about you again that and by the way i love all those people you just mentioned too yeah so feel very honored to be put into that group of people and we've had whim on the podcast before too so he's been a guest but with you

I feel the same way back when it's like when you see someone who is so curious who could get away with not worrying about these things if you don't want to but then still being courageous enough to talk about these things and then using your platform as a space to open up these dialogues like that is as if not more important as well as doing the work and doing the path yeah I mean I can see you doing the way it's fun watching you do the work and figuring it out I love working on myself like

it is actually like a passion of mine and like i just i find so much comfort and joy and like actually finding where i think i could better myself and being like even if it's physical like physical as in like my physical health or working out or i just started doing speaking of wim hof i just started doing like cold plunges and ice baths and like even if i don't have the time to go outside i just got a cold plunge i did it right before i got here it's the best thing ever it's also so

again it takes so much mental the whole thing of it is all mental so I don't know just stuff like that I really love so I'm always I'm always trying to just be the best version of me and so I just love that it like actually makes me feel really good I love self care and I just love stuff like that so it's been really cool but it's cool for you

to say that you enjoy seeing that from me because there's always been kind of this weird part of it for me where I'm like is this a pity party because I don't want it to be like I want this to feel very positive I want to connect with people and I guess that's that is my goal there is to be like there actually is this side of me that you might may not know of but the goal here is to connect and also not feel like I'm throwing some pity party for myself because I want this to be a learning experience forever

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of like a little technique, even if it's something so simple as like walking outside, taking a few deep breaths and journaling. Like, it's just that kind of stuff that I really like to share because I feel like I want to be helpful more than anything. Absolutely. And that's at least how I see it. I see it not completely...

not as a pity party at all but so much more as just hey here's a reminder yeah something that i did yeah i feel like that positivity shines through too in the way you do it so at least if that helps whatever that's worth from the outside it definitely comes across that way cool and this has easily been the warmest introduction to a flower conversation i've ever experienced in my entire life i was gonna say

I was actually really nervous coming in here because this means so much to me like and I'm serious because you know I've done a lot of interviews in my life and when thinking about this one or thinking about that I even wanted to do something like this it just it means a lot to me and so it made me a little nervous and I was like I just want to get this right this isn't like you know me going out and promoting something or talking about something this is

you know something very real that um we all experience which is just you know ourselves and our well-being and just everything so yeah and this is this is a you know for me genuinely and i really do mean this like the podcast has been a

great excuse or really from my side an intention to get to know people and i really admire yeah and so for me it's been a great way of building new friendships and relationships because if you can sit and talk to someone and really get along with each other you're like oh we should do this more often so well i'm honored yeah so for me it's definitely been that and to me you know

you saying that and you know taking it as intentionally as you are it's you know for me it's as important i i always share this before we start recording usually but we just flowed hey everyone welcome back to on purpose the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen learn and grow

now it's very rare that i get to sit down with someone that i have admired for a very long time from afar someone that i believe has inspired me through the sharing of their story someone who speaks so vulnerably and openly about the things that i most care about mental health purpose uh the journey of life and discovery and curiosity and

What I want to share about this person is when I bumped into them at a mutual friend's birthday party, and I just want to give a big shout out to Simeon Hayes, because this wouldn't happen without them. I love you, Simeon Hayes. You've been amazing guests on the podcast before as well. I wouldn't have bumped into this individual and had this opportunity to reach out to them. And as soon as I reached out, this has been the most flowing conversation and connection that I possibly had on the podcast, to be honest. So I just want to put that out. I'm speaking about the one and only, someone who needs no introduction.

but successful business founder, international supermodel, founder of the incredibly successful tequila brand 818, and star on the Hulus, the Kardashians, which premieres in second season on September 22nd. The one and only Kendall Jenner. Kendall, thank you so much for doing this. Thanks for having me. That was a wonderful introduction. Oh, well, it's honestly been such an honor getting to know someone who

it's very rare that i find someone who functions in with very similar values in in a personal connection sense so when i reached out to you i i really meant everything i said and i could have written you an essay but i was like let's spare the details and then to get your response and then for us to be here within a couple of weeks of connecting yeah and even your message this morning i just want people to know i was like the the text you sent me this morning i was like

This never happens. This is amazing. And I was literally going to do the same thing. And so to me, I was like, this is very rare. And so I love the synergy and the flow that we're experiencing. Me too. I'm excited to get into it now. It's funny because I called Hayes before the other day and I was just like, oh my God, I'm going on your friend's show and whatever. And she was like,

he's the best it's good you're just gonna flow right into it he's so easy to talk to and that's literally what happened and like i told you i just feel like i manifested this moment for for both of us and for this just this whole experience and so i am really happy to be here and i'm honestly honored like i said i admire you and i there's so many people like you that i admire so i think sitting down here with you is just so cool for me and i get to talk about fun things with

with yourself. Amazing. First of many. And I wanted to start with, because I always like to start with just things that I've seen more recently. A couple of days ago, I think you posted a beautiful picture of you hugging your horse. And you were like, you know, like snuggle time or something like that. And I was just like, when did horses become a part of your life? And

i think i've spent many lifetimes with horses i think this is very one of many lifetimes that i've had i grew up in a horse community so where we grew up horses everywhere more trails than there were homes really and so i was always around horses and i just was deeply in love with them and i have no explanation and that's why i say i feel like in past lives i have just been around horses yeah so since i was a really young kid loved them and continue to love them my whole

Thank you so much. Thank you.

with her I like sometimes come to like a little get a little teary-eyed when I'm standing in my stall with her because I'm like this is so cool that you allow me to do this and we have this connection without any words it's just the best thing ever so I love them yeah that's so special I have a different teary-eyed story with horses but I'll tell you the short version so when I proposed to my wife I can't wait to introduce you to when I proposed to her which was eight years ago or something like that when I proposed to her I organized a very what I would consider like a very a very Hollywood proposal

It was too over the top and I would do it totally different today with everything I've learned. It happens. Yeah, it happens. It happens. And so we were walking by the Thames in London, which is where we're both born and raised. And this acapella group jumps out and they're singing Bruno Mars. And then they give her a bouquet of flowers. And then I get on one knee, I propose, we have dinner by the river. And then we walk around the corner and there's a horse-drawn carriage to take us around London. Amazing.

and so we're on this carriage we have this beautiful you know path through London and then we get into the train to get back home to her parents to tell them and they already knew she's got hives all over her face no way she was allergic she's allergic to horses and I found out the day I proposed to her I was like all right so that she was like she had tears and when we got back her parents were like what did you do to her at least you got to enjoy the moment but no I love horses the same way you do like I used to go to India a lot when I was a kid

and that's where i first learned to be with horses and i mean they're so therapeutic absolutely yeah there's a reason there's equine therapy it's the best exactly yeah they make me they make me when i'm with her i have a few but i'm most mostly with one of my horses right now because her name's delandra i didn't name her

she came with her name but i call her dylan or dill um i love her so much but when i'm with her i i genuinely i speak of like i spoke about how i've just loved horses my whole life i i feel like a kid around her like i feel like my 12 year old self that would get up every morning throughout the entire summer at 8 a.m to go just be at my trainer's facility and i would stay

from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. I'd ride all her horses I'd groom all her horses I would just sit in the stalls with all the horses like it just anytime I'm with her I just have that sense of like being a child again and it's a really really good feeling animals have that special ability they're like whichever animal you're attracted to and yeah

i i've i never thought i would but when i lived as a monk the animal that's revered in india is cows and you would never think of cows being like majestic or you know in that way especially when you're not in india but the cows in india have these like lotus like eyes like the eyes are just like absolutely stunning yeah and they're so special they're such gentle animals yeah and recently radhi and i went uh trekking with gorillas in rwanda and gorillas are the we have to go

that sounds unreal it was unbelievable and they're the animal that's revered in Rwanda so whenever they have a new gorilla that's born they have a naming ceremony with the community I love that it's so beautiful but and then I heard somewhere that you your first job was you were a dog walker yeah

and so I was thinking like do you have any lessons or anything you learned by being a dog walker I think first jobs are so interesting yeah no I mean I was always a super disciplined child like meaning to my like I just loved I would put myself to bed at 7 p.m be like my mom would be like playing with me and my little sister and be like mom it's seven I gotta go to sleep like it's time for my bedtime she'd be like are you okay and so I was always that kid and so I think I just was always really eager to

like work I don't know why I just like wanted to always have something to do something that I felt passionate about that I really enjoyed and so yeah when I was young I put some flyers around our community and said I would walk dogs and I ended up getting people that would get let me have their dog for a few hours and take it for a walk so

I loved animals and I liked having something to do so I spent I was a kid that liked to be by myself with animals so like I think that that was a cool very fitting thing for me because I got to be by myself walking but then also experience all the

I wish I did that. I used to deliver newspapers. So that was my first job. And it's not as glamorous in London because it's raining. Was that what you were desiring? No, I was just 14 years old and wanted to make some money. I was like, I need to make some money. And so I was like, I'm going to start doing this. You'd see it in the movies.

where the paper boy just like shuts the paper at the door, but I'd have to actually go and put it inside. So my only interaction with dogs is they were on the inside grabbing the paper. Oh, right, right. And so, yeah. They're barking at you and stuff. Yeah, they're barking at you and stuff. But I always love knowing about people's first jobs and how things started for them because of, you know, obviously where you are today, but...

what do you think it was in those early years where you just said you were very disciplined like it sounds like you were you were aware of certain habits that you built then what were some of the things that you feel confident about or how did how did you look for validation in those early years and where did it come from for you i mean it's interesting so kind

always the social butterfly. I just liked being to myself. I don't know if that's the Scorpio in me, so it just came naturally or whatever. I had a group of friends who I loved, but I can vividly remember just on the weekends not running to go be with my friends all the time. During the summer, I was with them, but on the weekends in between school, I was really just

by myself i would love to like hang out in my room i like was kind of a nerd i loved video games and like sitting on the computer and playing sims all day like i just kind of liked being to myself and then all day long during the summer was with my horses and yeah i don't know i just it just brought me joy i don't think i have like a you know a super long explanation for that

as simple as that made me happy. And that's just what I wanted. And it explains, I guess, a lot of me now. I went through like a phase where I felt like I had to be around people. I think I live a very social life and my job is very social. So I was, you know, kind of conditioned to want to be around people a lot. And then as, you know, the pandemic came around, you're not around as many people anymore. Now I'm just re-enjoying being by myself, which is really cool. Yeah.

I went and rode my horses. I took my niece to ride her pony. Just me and her. It was so nice. Brought her back home, went to my house, got in my cold plunge, went in my pool, laid out journals. I was...

so much. I love that. I'm sure that's so refreshing for people to hear too, because I feel like people may from the outside perceive a life, which obviously, like you said, for work, it's busy and it's social. And of course you have wonderful friends, but to know that you can feel comfortable in your own company and that's been a habit that you've developed. I crave simple things. Like I, I love my life and I love my job. And I, I feel so fortunate that I have been placed here

that for some reason I was given this life. I feel immensely grateful for that. And I have had so much fun. And I think back on just the experiences that I've had this far. And it's shocking to me. I'm like, this is so freaking cool that I live this life. But at the end of the day, when I am home and when I'm alone, I crave the simple things. I

I love a simple day I love just like a simple routine and being to myself and being around the people that I love my small core crew so yeah that's beautiful yeah I mean that's I think that's what we're all striving for is right that passion and our careers and our work and then simplicity at home what would you say I was thinking about this and I've watched so many of your interviews and read so much too but

What would you say for you as being one of your, like, proudest moments or greatest achievements or something that you really feel like, and internally, I mean, like, for the basis of our conversation, like, something that really brings you joy internally when you think about it or when you had it? Like I said, I look back and the things that I've accomplished, just even my job, like, I think I really, at one point when I was younger, decided I want to be a model and this is what I want to do. And the fact that

I really was, I was 14 years old when I kind of made that decision and was like, this is what I want to do. And I went to my mom and I was like, please help me do this. And I didn't stop until I was 24 that I was like, okay, I think I need to like take it back a notch, which we can also get into because that's a very kind of dramatic story. But like, I...

I just knew and I think I'm proud of myself for being that kid and being determined to do that and then executing and doing it to the level that I had done it and that I guess I still do but I also am proud of I think more so the self work that I've done within that process because there was a long period of time I'd say the core five years of it that I was extremely overworked

not my happiest not because i wasn't doing what i loved but just because i was overwhelmed and i was i felt like i was saying yes to everything because i felt really really grateful and really honored to be in the position that i was in so i was always saying yes and it just took a lot out of me to the point

wasn't happy anymore and so I had to set those boundaries for myself when I was about 23 24 I'd say like what a year before the pandemic so yeah I was probably 23 I really set boundaries for myself and I was like I want to continue to do this because this is what I love but I need to start saying no when I can and prioritizing me and prioritizing like

you know my happiness and my well-being and it has done wonders for me like I feel like I can show up better for myself and I can show up a better person for the people that get to be around me that day and you know that I work with on that day so yeah

so that's what i'm proud of sorry to give you a long answer that's amazing i was i won't say i was hoping for that because i i'm always open to wherever anyone's life experience goes but there's a part of me that loves hearing that like i really appreciate hearing that because when you've achieved so many incredible things in your career which you have to then say well this is the part like knowing how to navigate it or right making the right choices at the right time healthy balance the healthy balance it's so important it's important for all of us

yeah like we have to this is what we're prioritizing you know yeah so how did you find the courage to do that at the 23 mark as you're saying you're in a competitive industry as you said it was overworking it's fast paced i'm guessing there's comparison in that industry there's competition in that industry it's not an easy space to be you're of course you know you're in the top 0.01 percent in your industry since it's hard

and the reason I ask this is because I work with so many people in this space and to have the courage to say, no, I know that if I sort this out, then all of this is gonna be just fine.

That actually takes more courage than we recognize. We realize that when you have nothing, then there's nothing to lose. You can actually have a lot of courage. But when you have everything and there's everything to lose, and a lot of the time, at least what I've heard in town is older managers and agents, and I'm not saying you have any of this, but people that I know will be told, well, hey, if you don't do this, you'll be forgotten next year or your career is only going to last another six months. How did you have that courage to say, no, no, no, I need to do this? Where did that come from and

I think that it's like I've never thought about it that way, to be completely honest with you. I just knew that if I had gone any further, that I was going to lose myself. I was at that very I was on the teeter totter edge of that point where.

had I gone any further I was probably not going to be great it was so important to me to feel good that I just knew that it was something that I had to do and I can't say like you're absolutely right like there were so many people around me that had told me not to say no and told or told me yeah told me not to say no told me not to stop I fought my way out of it a little bit because there were

I've benefited them. But I got to that point and I just knew I had to do it. And I just, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it, I guess. It was just such an unbelievable sensation that I had where I knew that if I do this, I'm going to be better for everyone. And I'm going to be better for myself, which means I'm going to be better for the people around me. And I have to do this. And so it wasn't really, I want to be able to live

with happiness god forbid any of this ever went away and i think that that was a big moment for me of being like i'm gonna be okay if i don't get this job tomorrow and i'm gonna be okay if i don't get that job in a month if i have to take this time to do whatever things will come everything's going to work out the way it's supposed to and i had to trust that yeah

well to me on from the outside and it's it's beautiful that you didn't see it in yourself because that almost makes it even more wonderful but the idea that to me from the outside that's a lot of courage yeah uh it takes a lot of courage it takes a lot of vulnerability and openness and and it takes courage at every level whether

someone's thinking about quitting their job to do something they love or whether someone's trying to relocate their family and doesn't know how or whether someone like you is feeling success but then going well wait a minute and I think in the past few years we've seen athletes and musicians and actors and people in all creative industries step back and say well I need to put me first yeah and I think that that's empowering because I think we hear about burnout in work culture and corporate so often for sure so

What was it that you started to do with that newfound time at that time? Was the curiosity always there and now you could actually follow it? It was. It was always there. And I had had a lot of people coming to me telling me about...

meditation and how it changed their life and therapy and so many different things and I was a bit overwhelmed because I was like oh my god what if this is gonna suit me I think it's a very personal experience I think everybody has a very different version of all of that stuff and so it was a little overwhelming so I think I really just took the time to be off for a second it was even the little things it was like being able to go to my friend's birthday party which I wouldn't have been

to go to before because I was working a lot. I love hearing that because I think it is those simple things like

you know giving yourself that space yeah whatever it is that you needed to do yeah when you needed it and and like you said sometimes it's like that's when all the subscribe buttons come up in front of you and it's like try this and try this and it's like well no no let me just take my time it was also now that i think about it yeah 23 i'm 26 i've had my horse for so around that time is when i bought the horse that i have now

who is my like i i jump her and i like how i i have two other horses but they're like retired so i don't really ride them the same way i ride her so yeah i guess it was around that time too that i was like i'm gonna do this because i love this and like i want to get back into it and this is what i've loved my whole life so so it was around that time that i feel like all of that started happening and i bought my horse and i like started taking more time for things that made me really happy

yeah what i what i'm noticing in you and observing or at least from just oh god no i was just saying it's like it feels like no matter what's happening in your orbit there's this pillar of belief that

it's important to be happy yeah like you know that's like this core center belief in your life where it's important to be happy it's important to be happy it's that has to be the goal for sure and you know it's not always easy we live in such an interesting industry

Thank you so much.

you're at mercy of things that you can't control. And that's never where I want to be. So I always want to live in... Me and my therapist talk about my higher goddess, my higher self. I always want to live there knowing that

you know when I'm there you can't take that away from me that that's mine and no matter what you can disagree with me you can agree with me that's not going my I'm not changing I'm not shifting I'm here I'm in my higher goddess so I kind of I always live by like holding my happiness and not letting anyone else affect it and though I fall victim to it at times of course we as we all probably do absolutely I um I strive every day to live in that place so

What are some of the qualities of your higher goddess? So that kind of avatar. She's awesome. Like I said, I don't love a pity party. I also like, you know, sometimes it feels weird to like

I've also learned a lot about talking to myself and a lot about looking in the mirror and being like, you're great. You're gorgeous. You're amazing. You're loyal. You're positive. You're so many, like, I love words of affirmation. I love just sitting there and reassuring myself of who I am because that's another thing for me.

you know there's so many false narratives about me about all of us i'm sure like so many people think they have you figured out when they don't even know the half of it so sitting there and being like you know you get frustrated sometimes it could feel really unfair you could be reading something that someone is saying about you or hearing something that someone's saying about you and being like that is so unfair because that's not who i am and that really gets to me sometimes and that really sucks

but then looking at myself in the mirror and being like, but I know who I am. And that's all. Why does anything else matter? And my friends know who I am. And my family knows who I am. My dog knows who I am. My horse knows who I am. Like, why does any of everything else is just noise? I do this exercise. I don't think I've shared this before, but I do this exercise with some of my clients where we'll go on a walk and we'll be on a hike wherever we are. And I'll ask them what they think a piece of, you know, maybe there's a little leaf or maybe there's some,

a flower or something that looks a little unique on the path and i'll say what do you think that feels like and what do you think it would feel like if you picked it up in your hand and they'll be like oh it looks really rough and like it might scratch me and like it looks like a bit you know like uneven or whatever and it looks kind of hard and strong and then i'll ask them to pick it up and nine times out of ten

it's completely different. Like they'll pick it up and it'll just dissolve in their hands. Or they'll turn it over and the color's really soft. Sorry, the shape's really soft and the color's totally different on the other side. And I do that exercise to help us realize just how multifaceted humans are.

today i've got to meet you and and obviously we're spending a lot of deep intimate vulnerable time together so you learn faster about someone but if someone only follows someone on social media or only sees someone at an event or only sees one interview it's so easy to create such a singular view of someone right and i think and i want to say this because i really think we all feel it i don't think anyone wants to be seen in a singular way if you had to choose one word

that had to be you for the rest of your life. I don't think anyone wants that. I think we all know that we're messy and complex and different, but we like to put someone else in a box, whoever that may be, because it's easier then to live life and say, okay, well, that's person's A, B.

right yeah so there's this beautiful piece of wisdom that i always share from charles horton cooley and he wrote this in 1890 i think it was which just shows how true this has been for such a long time and obviously long before that as well and he said the challenge today is i'm not what i think i am i'm not what you think i am i am what i think you think i am

And we'll let that blow everyone's mind. Charles Horton Cooley said, the challenge today is I'm not what I think I am. I'm not what you think I am.

i am what i think you think i am and what he's trying to say is that we live in a perception of a perception of ourselves so if i think you think i'm smart then i allow myself to feel smart right it's like we need that validation or if i think you think i'm not smart then i feel hurt yeah and and the challenge is i don't know what you're thinking at all especially outside in the world and so i find that what you're saying around like well what do i think

you know me, feel about me. I think that's really empowering. I wanted to ask you because I feel like from what I've seen and from what I've heard, you have great friendships. You have a great relationship with your family, as you said. What do you think have been really great habits or traits in relationships that have helped you build up good friendships and family relationships? Because I think for so many people, sometimes their friendships and their family can often be the most difficult part.

but I feel like the way you communicate the way you're talking about I'm like okay there's some really good habits in place here yeah have there been any principles or rules that you've learned along the way that have been helpful I mean of course honesty um I'm a big person on like keeping a really honest healthy communicative relationship um but I also think like I find it really important to have not feel like you're on top of each other

it's okay to like sometimes even if you're at like a family dinner running to the bathroom and just being like let me just take a couple breaths because this is getting overwhelming you know what I mean so I just love to like take a second my feelings are valid like sometimes my family's a lot which I bet everyone already knows everyone's families have a sense of crazy to them but but I think that I can get really overwhelmed really easily I am prone to just you know

a lot.

you know one of the things that you know which which really touched my heart when i saw this because i think when

things happen in culture and and everyone talks about it but but sometimes you're like okay well i can tell that there's a real connection here like when when you lost virtual right like that when i when i saw your message and what you spoke about it i was like wow this is this is someone who had a really deep connection with this individual and going through grief is really really tough like you know people who lose and i lost uh two really close people to me during the pandemic

i'm sorry uh one was thank you one was one was my spiritual teacher since i was 12 years old and he died of stage four brain cancer and i hadn't seen him during the pandemic i couldn't go back for his because that was still when it was like yeah i couldn't go back for his funeral

and you know he'd been the person who'd been such a key piece of my life and then the other person pretty much in the same year was my best friend as a monk so he was still a monk wow and he having to get cancer and he passed away during the pandemic i couldn't see him either and he was my age and so to lose someone that was you know he was still there and so oh yeah and so and so when i saw your

you know your wonderful tribute to virgil as well i was like you know how how do you process something like that when you know it's not only industry friends but genuine friendship beyond that just how to yeah well my first thought here is why is it always the best people like why is it always these people that are just such balls of light in everyone's life it's like so you just think about and you're like this is so unfair and you're going through every emotion and

to be honest it was really shocking because not everyone knew what he was going through and suffering from so it was really shocking I'll never forget the day I found out and it just absolutely obviously breaks your heart and

you can't help but be like, oh my God, did I ever say enough? Did I ever tell him enough? It's really interesting to share that feeling with so many people. It feels good in a way. And you're just like, it makes you feel so human. And you're sharing this emotion with people that knew him, people that didn't know him, people that just loved him from afar. And it's just a really...

beautiful and incredible thing to a certain degree but then also just obviously the most devastating thing it hits so hard when so many people are talking about it and so many people are affected by it so it was definitely um a really shocking really sad time yeah it was yeah yeah and those and and it's really interesting what you said there is like why and and i had that with my spiritual teacher for sure i was just like

he was you know and what's really powerful about what I could at least remember from him at that time was that even though he had stage 4 brain cancer which means he'd lost his short term memory and a lot of his long term memory is impaired if you ever met him he would just thank you for your service to God like he would just say thank you for everything you're doing for other people and he would just be grateful and I was just like that's exactly how V was too he was the most positive person

lived life like appreciative wanted to say yes to everything wanted to just be there for everyone you could literally ask him to design a pencil for you and he would be like it'll be done tomorrow what do you what else do you need like he just had so much to give and he gave it

and that wasn't that was pre his diagnosis that was like that was just who Virgil was and so to then find out what he found out at a certain point in his life and still be that person it's still like I'm gonna show up for everyone and like

my time here is so special to all these other people and i'm going to like be here to make them feel amazing it's just like unreal like it makes you just be like what like how you're how could you be that incredible and giving like that is so crazy there wasn't a selfish bone in that man's body like he was just the best yeah but i'm sorry to hear about your oh no no i think it's it's actually

nice speaking about people that we both love in a similar way even though they're in such different places in life doing very different things but to talk about someone's and I think that's a big part of it for me at least with grief that I feel like when I talk about the beautiful qualities of the people that I lost it gives me so much confidence that

they want me to live it and they want me to try and embody it and that how fortunate we are yeah to have experienced that type of humanity yeah like you know and those are my thoughts of him like i think all we ever really want as human beings is to be you know when we do leave this earth we want to be remembered so beautifully and positive positively i know at least i do of course but like you just want you of course want to make people feel something and he made so many people feel something and for that

it is so special they say that we have our purpose here and I know that he fulfilled a purpose here that he was supposed to fulfill and I think that I think about it beautifully obviously it's a very very sad situation and it breaks my heart but I have nothing but beautiful thoughts of him and I think that's really cool and really special thank you for sharing that too I had to ask you because

Yeah, I just, I feel, I love hearing amazing things about amazing people that, you know, because I think so many of the most incredible people I grew up reading about people that I never met. And I spent a lot of my life studying books about people that I never met. So Malcolm X and Martin Luther King and Einstein and people that I really see as people that have direct

they lived and i feel like he was potentially one of those people that i never met him but whenever i hear about him i'm just like for sure this is someone that we could learn from for sure you spoke about purpose there i was wondering how has your purpose changed you had this very confident view of i want to be a model you know you've superseded exceeded and continue to flourish in that world and i and i always wish that you do how has your purpose evolved as that time has gone on

I think I've learned a lot I've learned a lot about myself about what I want from my life and which is kind of what we've been talking about but I'm actually really excited to get older and to learn so much more about not only myself but like the journey and the path that I guess want to take and want to be on so I'd say you know my purpose has evolved from obviously within business doing what I want to do and

making sure I'm happy and finding the thing that I love and all those things but I've kind of like I said really tuned into me and I think my purpose at least at this very moment and what I've kind of evolved into is is my higher goddess like I am determined to tune into her at all times but also as I get older I have so much that I want to connect with other people and with

aka social media and people that may not know me personally and just the following like I said I was given this life for some reason for whatever reason I was placed here and I do feel a purpose to share and connect and put a smile on people's faces or make someone feel a positive feeling and so I think that

Within me wanting to achieve me tuning into my higher goddess, I think that also entails me being a great version of myself for other people to then experience and my tips and my tools.

whatever I can share, whatever help I can give. I really, you know, as corny as it sounds, I want to spread love. Like, I want people to feel love. That's really, I guess, the purpose. Yeah, that's beautiful. I mean, what more could you ask for? Right. Yeah, and it is funny that

so much of the stuff that is corny or you know whatever that's the stuff that's true right that's the stuff it is like there's also just we all just like live in such a it's an interesting time obviously and it can feel really negative and i tend to stay off of platforms like social media platforms because it's hard to look at sometimes and it feels really negative so i feel like we all just need a little bit of a smile sometimes i agree i agree i post these uh

videos every day which are just these fun silly things that happen in the world that my team will find I'll find and I post them every day literally for that reason and that reason only because I'm like I may or may not say something that makes someone smile but this definitely will without a doubt will bring some joy to someone's life

And if this is the only joy that someone experienced, I want them to see good in the world and believe that there's good in the world. That's one of my favorite things to see on TikTok when I sit in my bed at night and fall victim to TikTok. I love to see there's people that I'll post like, here's like five amazing facts that have happened in the world in the last couple of weeks or whatever. And it'll be like the, you know, pandas are not extinct anymore. And like the Great Barrier Reef is coming back and stuff like that. And so I'm like, that's so cool. That's what I want to hear.

exactly and you know if it was like it's going down it's like it's going to get a lot of likes and hits but if it's going up it doesn't get the same attention why do we like gravitate towards the negative so much like very interesting I genuinely believe it's just a pattern it's a pattern and a habit that's been adopted for so long and we have to retrain ourselves the clickbait of it all and the whole thing and we're like I need to see what's happening and we're just like

we do need to retrain our brains it's exactly what it is yeah and it starts with what you said earlier it starts with how we see ourselves it is all from that if someone looks in the mirror as you were saying earlier or if someone just reflects on themselves not in them physically but just internally yeah

most of us will spot all the negative things about ourself and then we take that out into the world and spot all the negative things about everyone else and then we take that out into social media right so that just propels from if it's all a reflection it's all yeah if you ask someone to sit down and write down as you said we feel uncomfortable taking a compliment or we feel uncomfortable saying nice about ourselves exactly and so it all starts with our relationship with ourself it

right exactly i do a lot of like inner inner child work with my um therapist and there's actually a trend on tiktok that was going around but um coincidentally enough we ended up naturally speaking about it in my session and it was like this trend on tiktok i guess that was like um

like a girl being like anytime you're being mean to yourself just think this is who you're talking about and then it flashes to like a photo of her as a kid and so I me and my therapist were talking about something similar and she was like why don't you find like a photo of yourself and put it on your bathroom mirror

so that every morning every night every day when you walk into your bathroom mirror you're looking at her and you're remembering that if there's anything negative that you're ever saying about yourself if you're ever being mean to yourself you're talking about her and so i did that and i went into my um i went into like my memorabilia closet in my house and i was looking through old like photo books and i've seen these photo books my whole life i've literally seen every photo that's been in here and i like flipped to a page and there was a photo i'd never seen of myself ever it was a polaroid so it was the original photo

and it was just me as a little girl with a bow in my hair and a dress on and I have like a little alien tattoo or something right here and I'm like have this big cheesy smile on my face and I was like that's the photo I'm putting on my thing I can show you the photo later I have a picture of it on my phone but um so I pasted it on my bathroom mirror and I talked to her and I'm always like if I'm ever looking in the mirror and being negative towards myself

or anything, I always look right over to her and I'm like, she's dope. And I love her. And so it's just another way of just self-love. I love that. That's such a great tool. That's such a great tool. My team found a kid picture of me and made an embarrassing version of that trend. So I'll show you that too. Oh, awesome. Okay. So you know it. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about as well. Kendo, you were saying earlier that you wanted to come here and you wanted to share and you manifested and there were things you wanted to share. What is it that's on your heart that

you've wanted to share that maybe we didn't go there today already, or is there something on your mind and heart as an experience or anything that really drew you here and made this happen, right?

I want to honor that. I think we've obviously we've honestly touched a lot of what I felt like I would have loved to get off my heart. I don't know. I was really excited to come here and share a little bit of me that I feel is very sometimes scary for me to share. And like I said, I came in here and I was a little nervous because this is important to me. And like this part of, you know, everyone's journey and what we're talking about today is scary.

it's so important i really that was i guess my intention here today was to come in and share a little bit of me and maybe for whoever's watching they find some comfort in this or some joy from this or they understand me a little bit more you know what i mean so i think that we've hit a lot of really cool points and yeah i mean i feel i feel really good good i wanted to honor that i i asked that because you know i think i think when

when you feel you're in that flow with someone. And yeah, I feel like, you know, we've learned so many new things about you today. And there's so many moments where I'm like, I just feel like you're so comfortable and you've been so open with us. But I just wanted to honor that. Thank you. And make sure that you feel that you've really felt heard and seen. I appreciate that. Thank you. I hope so. We all want to just be understood at the end of the day. I think the closer you get to people, humans, the closer you get to people of different backgrounds and different walks of life,

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

in different mixes yeah we're all just having a human experience exactly we're all just going day by day i think we all need to be a little bit kinder to each other and just take it easy on some people because we are we're all we all have our own struggles and um i don't know i'm i'm an empath so i like feel for things and i feel for people and

yeah and it starts with you the person right yeah exactly i thought you meant me i was like i don't know i don't have that power i was like thank you no no no i meant i meant that to our listener like it starts with yourself yeah absolutely if you can be kinder to yourself chances are you're gonna be

I found that the days I stopped judging myself, I stopped judging others because it changed how I saw humanity. Kendall, we end every On Purpose episode with a final five, which is a fast five round. I ask you a question and you answer it with one word or one sentence maximum. So it's super quick and short. And we have to whisk you away because you need to go to your next appointment. But okay, so the first question is, what's something you're curious about right now?

oh um i am super curious about i was saying how i love um michael singer and i think what i really love i'm reading uh the surrender experiment right now and i'm only in the first couple chapters so he's basically this is not a quick answer

he's basically at the first part of the book where he's talking about how he was curious about meditation and how he got into meditation and how he really just was like on a trip with his friends and his girlfriend in the woods and like sat in a corner or sat at a tree and was like I'm gonna just really dive into this and see what happens that's what I'm curious about right now it's just actually like I meditate I do a lot of breathing work breathing exercises and I just really want to tap in

yeah like michael singer did i love that that's what i'm curious about that's a great answer uh second question if there's anything that you're working on personally right now what are you working on on yourself is there any yes um i'm working on i'm working on boundaries and i'm working on not

i'm a stressor like i can stress about things in my mind and i overthink and i just so i'm really working on like calming down and just letting things flow better and not being so controlling over things especially that i can't control love it uh question number three uh what's your favorite thing about founding 818

oh um being an entrepreneur being a founder probably that like i i you know was a model and i worked for people a lot i kind of love being my own boss and really being able to have my own creative a place where i can be creative and just really express my creativity and have so much fun doing all of that creative stuff and i've learned so much and learning about the culture and learning about the tequila and everything like i've just had the best time so

love that uh question number four what's something you used to value but you don't value anymore validation great i don't care anymore great answer at least i'm telling myself yes yeah well we have to make it right yeah no but it's true like i used to care so much more about validation i really don't care anymore at least thank you uh fifth and final question if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be

Oh, I would do like on like a Sunday, you have to take half the day and like not look at your phone or something. That's great. I love that. That's a legit law. That's great. Right? Yeah. That'd be kind of nice. Or the full day. Or the full day. Or being really crazy. I love that idea.

I love that. Kendall Jenner, everyone, this was amazing. Kendall, this, honestly, and I'm excited to catch up afterwards too, but there was just so much flow and synergy in this whole thing happening. And I couldn't thank you more for doing this with me here on On Purpose. And I hope that this is the first of many times that we'll do this, but I hope it's...

the beginning of a beautiful friendship and relationship and I want to everyone who's been listening or watching back at home please let me and Kendall know tag us letting us know what resonated with you what connected with you like what was it that you've got curious about or what was something she said that just shifted your perspective or where you learned something new I'd love to hear it I know there were tons of moments for me where

i was listening going this is amazing this is incredible this is awesome so any wisdom nuggets that stuck out to you please let us know because i love seeing uh what made a difference in your life as well and a big thank you to kendall for opening our heart and opening up our mind thank you i'm honored thank you so much thank you so much thank you that's amazing if you want